假定他的智商和努力程度不变,他从高中直接上名牌本科的可能性大,还是通过社区学院然后转入名牌的可能性大?
很多家长被广告迷惑,以为自己从高中上不了名校的孩子,可以通过社区学院达到目标,我觉得不 make sense。
特殊情况、变化了的智商和努力不算。譬如,小留学生由于对美国教育制度不熟,语言也不够好,他不可能直接进入美国名校,但是通过社区学院两年的跳板,他熟悉了环境,却最后把不可能变成了可能。这应该是有的。还有就是,有些孩子青春期躁动,高中毕业的时候成绩不好,上不了名校。可是社区学院两年,他突然成熟了,过了躁动期,发挥了潜能,最后去了名校,这应该也是有的,好像上次硅谷回音那位藤妈说的就是这类情况。
我了解的情况是:
1 社区学院门槛低,容易进入。其中多数进来的学生成绩不好,这样少数功课好的同学容易出头,这是发挥所谓鸡头优势(宁做鸡头不做凤尾),对某些学生这是有效的。
2 社区学院有两个目的:(1)职业培训,相当于国内的技校,为毕业生直接走向社会做准备:大约有一半学生是抱着这个目标进入社区学院的。(2)为转入本科做跳板,相当于两年制大专学历(小留学生几乎全部是这个打算)。加州社区学院为了自身发展的需要,与本科学校建立了良好的关系(主要是加大和加州州立),因此比起从普通本科转入名校本科而言,社区学院也许有一些优势,因为这是它的主要目标之一,有专门的一条龙服务。而从普通转名校,大多是单枪匹马自己奋战。
3. 我见过的情况:以前的一个邻居,家境不好,他孩子就是走读,后来听说转入 UC LA 了,这是一个很成功的例子,而且省钱。我以前一个老板,家境非常好,却有意识让孩子上社区学院(纽约州),后来转入了 Cornell,她的孩子程度没问题,家里也不缺钱,为什么要有计划地这么走一圈,我一直不大明白(唯一能想到的就是,也许社区学院转入名校比那所高中直接进入名校可能性大?或者一个什么偶然原因,那孩子上不了名校,又不甘心上普通本科,于是决定曲线救国,也未可知),但是我知道这孩子确实如计划地转入了名校。
4. 我觉得社区学院的气氛总体不如本科制大学。一是里面有一半的人是纯粹为技能培训,而不是academic学生。二是学制太短,学生团体活动不得充分开展。所以说,总体是不得已而为之的选择,而不是多数人应该考虑的道路。
由 billtang 在 星期五, 06/01/2012 - 15:58 发表。Out of all incoming transfer
Out of all incoming transfer students, the majority (88% or close to it) is from community colleges. That doesn't mean the majority applied got accepted.
On the surface, fewer than 1% of De Anza students (about 140 out of total of 23k students) got into Berkely.
However, if you dig into the numbers deeper, considering the first year DeAnza retension rate (80%), the ratio of full-time vs part-time (1:1) (many part time students are from high school, job training) students, the chance for someone who went into De Anza with the absolute goal of UC transfer getting into Berkely after two years is quite reasonable (lower ten percent), probably similar to the Berkeley acceptance rate of top south bay high schools.
由 立委 在 星期五, 06/01/2012 - 17:57 发表。thanks. "lower 10%", that
thanks. "lower 10%", that makes sense, and it agrees with what I guessed.
Yes, it is very respectful, on the par with top high schools.
Of course, majority transfer students from community college end up with state univ. instead of UC
参见:
Undergraduate Student Enrollment, 2009-10
CCC 2,758,081 full-year unduplicated headcount (all students)
1,229,397 full-time equivalent students (FTES), credit
88,323 non-credit FTES
200,000 unfunded students
140,000 students turned away due to lack of funding
CSU 360,618 headcount/FTES
UC 183,184 headcount/FTES
Private* 149,700 headcount/FTES
*75 AICCU WASC-accredited 4-year institutions.
Number of Student Transfers to Four-Year Public & Private Institutions, 2009-10**
Community Colleges to University of California 14,690
Community Colleges to California State University 37,651
Community Colleges to In-State Private Colleges/Universities 19,852
Community Colleges to Out of State Colleges/Universities 16,032
Transfer Rate, 2003-04 to 2008-09 40.9%*
**2009-10 data for transfers to UC and CSU only; In-State Private and Out-of-State Data are for 2008-09.
*The transfer rate is based on students who earned at least 12 units and attempted transfer-level Math or English during the 6-year enrollment period.
www.ccleague.org