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美国SFN学术论战实录(1)氢原子电磁辐射与稳定态(IV)

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

You don't have a varying field. The field from the nucleus is static.

 

It is necessory for a varying field for the elecron to excite to high energy eigen-orbit, and the varying field is produced by moving ion in the spectrum experiment.  


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:27 PM

 

It is necessory for a varying field for the elecron to excite to high energy eigen-orbit, and the varying field is produced by moving ion in the spectrum experiment.  

 

You are talking about a different situation then.  That is only present during the excitation.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:32 PM

 

You are talking about a different situation then.  That is only present during the excitation.

If there is no outer field, the electron is at the groound state, and we can not observe the spectrum.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 05:04 PM

If there is no outer field, the electron is at the groound state, and we can not observe the spectrum.

 

Where is the "outer field" when the electron is in the excited state, before it decays?


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:56 AM

 

Where is the "outer field" when the electron is in the excited state, before it decays?

For example, when the outer field was provided by moving ion in the spectrum experiment, the electron was excited to the eigen-orbit by that field.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:20 AM

For example, when the outer field was provided by moving ion in the spectrum experiment, the electron was excited to the eigen-orbit by that field.

 

AFTER the atom is in the excited state, where is the external field?


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:47 AM

 

AFTER the atom is in the excited state, where is the external field?

After the atom is excited in higher energy eigen-orbit, the external field is varying, and could exsist or disapear.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:59 AM

After the atom is excited in higher energy eigen-orbit, the external field is varying, and could exsist or disapear.

 

If it's gone, how does the atom remain in that state without radiating, for some period of time? Classically, it should do this. Your classical model has to explain why it does not.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:15 PM

 
If it's gone, how does the atom remain in that state without radiating, for some period of time? Classically, it should do this. Your classical model has to explain why it does not.

The atom can not stay in that state, and will go back to the ground state while the electromagnetic radiation was produced

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 02:44 PM

The atom can not stay in that state, and will go back to the ground state while the electromagnetic radiation was produced

 

The problem is the way it produces the radiation, which is not consistent with classical theory (which predicts continuous emission, and is not what we see)


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

The problem is the way it produces the radiation, which is not consistent with classical theory (which predicts continuous emission, and is not what we see)


The resonance of the orbit vibrates with a frequency.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 01:39 AM

The resonance of the orbit vibrates with a frequency.


Meaningless. Come up with a model. Do some actual science.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 02:10 AM

Meaningless. Come up with a model. Do some actual science.

 

You can find the model in my manuscript and GED paper, in the openning post of this thread.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:16 AM

You can find the model in my manuscript and GED paper, in the openning post of this thread.

I don't see where you predict energy levels or discuss the radiation details, e.g. the lifetime of the excited state.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:17 PM

I don't see where you predict energy levels or discuss the radiation details, e.g. the lifetime of the excited state.

 

More research work are needed to solve your question. the main works I have done is as follow:

 

The hydrogen atom is a two-particle electromagnetic system controlled by the interaction between the electron and the proton. So a reliable description about electromagnetic phenomena in it should depend on treatment of the electromagnetic interaction of the periodically changing electric current elements caused by
moving charged particles. As a result of pinch effect of the induced fields and interaction of displacement currents, the distribution and propagation of induced field are sharply restricted with increase of frequency, and the induced electric field could be pinched in a narrow tubular space, and at higher frequency it could spread
on a bended path near the charged particle . The ground state of the hydrogen atom is a unique steady state, the balance state of mechanics, in which the radiation reaction in one charged particle is counteracted by the action of induced field caused by the other. For an isolated hydrogen atom, the ground state is the natural state ; any lower energy orbit is prohibited by action of radiation field, and the higher energy orbit will go back to ground state because of spontaneous radiation. Orbit closure is a necessary condition for any steady orbit to satisfy. The modal response is the steady state of hydrogen atomic orbits. The electron jumps from the ground state to a modal orbit with high discrete energy by resonant absorption. The modal equation of the hydrogen atom was deduced by means of standing wave analysis, and selecting the ground orbit of the hydrogen atom as basic reference to describe the other modal orbits, then the modal equation was changed to the same mathematical form with the Schrödinger equation.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:24 PM

These are, of course, addressed by QM.
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 10:31 PM

These are, of course, addressed by QM.

the above is the abstract of my paper published in GED, and the structure and linear spectrum of the hydrogen atom were treated by classical theory.


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:02 PM

If you have a solution, why say that you don't? Why not just tell us? If you don't, why are you wasting time trying to convince anyone that there will someday be a solution?
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Posted 28 July 2014 - 11:34 PM

If you have a solution, why say that you don't? Why not just tell us? If you don't, why are you wasting time trying to convince anyone that there will someday be a solution?

It will take some time for a new theory to be improved and to solve the questions one by one. I think I have not the ability to complete all works, and more researchers are needed to do these works.  


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 06:19 AM

An other serious question:

 

By the concept of quantum mechanics, the movement of the particle is random and uncertain, proton coordinate or center of mass coordinate in hydrigen atom are random and uncertain referring to the laboratory,

 

Therefore, the spectrum experimental data of hydrogen atom can not be applied to confirm quantum mechanics.




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