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"I can categorically say I hate impact factors!" Nobel Laureate Martin Chalfie

Impact factors are "a substitute for judgement" - Nobel Laureate Michael Brown

 Nobel Laureate Peter Doherty: Impact factors are skewing science

 Nobel Laureate Peter Doherty- Impact factors are skewing science.mp4

Impact factors? What counts is the data - Nobel Laureate Joseph Goldstein

Impact factors- What counts is the data - Nobel Laureate Joseph Goldstein.mp4

"You should do solid work, that's priority one" Bruce Beutler, Nobel Laureate

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Is there too much pressure to publish in high-impact journals? Nobel Laureate Tim Hunt

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Is there too much pressure to publish in high-impact journals- Nobel Laureate Tim Hunt.mp4

Nobel Laureate Randy Schekman discusses high-impact factor journals

Nobel Laureate Randy Schekman discusses high-impact factor journals.mp4

Impact factors are taking us in the wrong direction - Brian Kobilka

Impact factors are taking us in the wrong direction - Brian Kobilka.mp4

Impact factors were never intended to be a measure of scholarship - Randy Schekman

Impact factors were never intended to be a measure of scholarship - Randy Schekman.mp4

"I am very troubled by the importance of impact factors" Brian Kobilka, Nobel Laureate

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Should we judge papers based on their citations? Nobel Laureate Harold Varmus

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Should we judge papers based on their citations- Nobel Laureate Harold Varmus.mp4

Science isn't about publication in high-impact journals - Harold Varmus

https://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=attachment&id=1197008

Do we need to rethink academic publishing? Nobel Laureate Aaron Ciechanover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKWJ5gmTuAw&list=PLc8JX9rbkV0vYE7tI6o62i5eGlQkSbinh&index=2&pp=iAQB

Impact factors are "a substitute for judgement" - Nobel Laureate Michael Brown

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英汉对照 （机器翻译）

Nobel Laureate Peter Doherty_ Impact factors are skewing science 

some people give enormous importance to

有些人非常重视

it and this whole impact factor thing is

它，整个影响因子的事情

rather skewing science you can do

相当扭曲科学，你可以

wonderful experiments in wonderful

在精彩的科学中做精彩的实验，

science and if the journal editor and I

如果期刊编辑和我

maybe maligning journal editors but if

可能会诽谤期刊编辑，但如果

they're one of the top journals which

它们是

has high impact factor if they think

具有高影响力的顶级期刊之一 如果他们认为

that very few people are interested in

很少有人对此感兴趣，那么

this and what are quoted you'll find

你会发现

your son

你的儿子

your papers rejected and I think that's

你的论文被拒绝了，我认为这

absolutely true so I don't put a lot I

绝对是真的，所以我不会放太多，我的

mean a lot of people just died to get

意思是很多人只是为了得到

their paper published in nature or

他们的 在自然或

science and so forth I I don't really

科学等领域发表的论文我真的

care maybe it's because I'm old and

不在乎，也许是因为我又老又

tired but I don't care and and basically

累，但我不在乎，基本上

I think with the way science

我认为科学

communication works now with PubMed and

传播现在与 PubMed 的运作方式

is a web of science and and information

是一个科学网络 以及信息

exchange things I think get it published

交换的事情，我认为将其发表

in a good high quality journal where

在高质量的期刊上，这样

it's going to get properly reviewed

它将得到适当的审查，

don't be too obsessed with a journal of

不要太痴迷于一本具有

enormous status targeted to a journal

巨大地位的期刊，目标是一本

where people in your field are going to

你所在领域的人会

read it because if it's unless it's a

阅读它的期刊，因为 如果是，除非它是一个

very general thing and then it maybe

非常普遍的事情，那么它可能确实

does belong in Natural Science but don't

属于自然科学，但不要

be too obsessed with this whole status

太痴迷于

thing in publication I think it's a lot

出版中的整个状态问题，我认为这是

of it's a waste of time go for any clean

浪费时间，去寻找任何干净的

and some of our most reference papers

和我们的一些 大多数参考论文都

haven't been in the highest highest

没有发表在

impact factor journals they've been in

影响因子最高的期刊上，而是发表在

journal immunology or general biology

免疫学或普通生物学等期刊上，

and so forth good journals well reviewed

好的期刊经过良好的审查，

well run but not not the ones that are

运行良好，但不是那些

absolutely right up there I mean I find

绝对正确的期刊，我的意思是我

initially increasingly with papers that

最初发现越来越多的期刊 对于

go to nature or science the the

涉及自然或科学的论文，

editorial process can be so protracted

编辑过程可能会非常漫长，

with so many requirements to do more

需要做更多的

experiments that you end up with a paper

实验，以至于你最终得到的论文

which by the time it may have started

可能一

out as being a clear statement of an

开始是对一个想法的清晰陈述，但它

idea it becomes totally unreadable it's

变成了 完全不可读 它

got 25 percent 25 pieces of

有 25% 25 条

supplementary data you have no idea what

补充数据 你不知道

it's about or what these people are

它是关于什么的，也不知道这些人

trying to say the reviewers have turned

想说什么 审稿人已经把

it into a porridge you don't want to

它变成了粥 你不想

publish porridge

出版粥

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Should we judge papers based on their citations_ Nobel Laureate Harold Varmus

it is possible and now virtually every

这是可能的，现在

paper that you find online has as

你在网上找到的几乎每一篇论文都有

metrics associated with that paper and

与该论文相关的指标，

that is interesting I mean I think there

这很有趣，我的意思是我认为

is some correlation but it but there are

存在一些相关性，但

just inherent problems with impact

影响因子存在固有的问题，

factor even if you even if you carry it

即使你携带它 我

out for 10 years and do it paper by

花了 10 年的时间，逐篇论文地进行研究，

paper because if you work in a very busy

因为如果你在一个非常繁忙的

field with hundreds of investigators

领域工作，有数百名研究人员，那么

you're going to be cited a lot more than

你会比

if you're working in some interesting

在一些有趣的

new field and I know having worked in

新领域工作时被引用更多，而且我知道曾经在 在

brand-new fields where papers that I

全新的领域，我

thought were beautiful and an

认为很漂亮、具有

exploratory and imagined and imaginative

探索性、想象性和想象力的论文

didn't get very many citations for years

多年来一直没有得到很多引用，

and years until people caught up with

直到人们赶上

them

它们

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Impact factors are taking us in the wrong direction - Brian Kobilka 

all of my all of my publications were in

我所有的出版物都发表在

good journals journal biological

好的期刊《生物化学》杂志上，

chemistry I thought that was I could get

我以为我可以将

my papers into JBC I was really excited

我的论文发表在 JBC 上，我真的很兴奋

molecular pharmacology and really was

分子药理学，确实是

those two journals occasionally we might

这两个期刊，我们偶尔会

try for PNAS but you know there weren't

尝试 PNAS，但你知道没有

any nature science self and but you know

任何自然科学自我，但你知道

we were doing good work and we were

我们做得很好，我们正在

building on the previous work and I

以前的工作的基础上发展，我

thought that's what we were supposed to

认为这就是我们应该

do but unfortunately nowadays the impact

做的，但不幸的是，现在

factors people are judged or scientists

人们的影响因素是根据影响因素来判断的，科学家

are judged based on on their impact

是根据他们的影响

factors and I just think it's the wrong

因素来判断的 我只是认为这是

direction we should particularly for

我们应该采取的错误方向，特别是对于

young scientists it's it affects what

年轻科学家来说，它影响了

they do they have to try for they have

他们必须尝试的事情，因为他们必须

to try for experiments that will

尝试进行实验，这些实验

hopefully get a high impact paper and

有望获得高影响力的论文，而

that may not necessarily be the most

这可能不一定是

important thing they can do or the thing

他们最重要的事情 可以做的事情或

they're most interested in and if if

他们最感兴趣的事情，如果

they could really you know build their

他们真的可以建立

own career ultimately they'll you know

自己的职业生涯，最终他们会知道

their career will they have impact

他们的职业生涯是否会产生影响，

whether they you know whether they

无论他们是否

publish in high-impact journals or not

在高影响力的期刊上发表文章，

if they do a good work it will be

如果 他们做得很好，会得到

recognized and it will be cited

认可并被引用