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"I can categorically say I hate impact factors!" Nobel Laureate Martin Chalfie

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Science isn't about publication in high-impact journals - Harold Varmus

Impact factors are "a substitute for judgement" - Nobel Laureate Michael Brown

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扩展资料

Impact factors are taking us in the wrong direction - Brian Kobilka.mp4

Impact factors were never intended to be a measure of scholarship - Randy Schekman.mp4

Impact factors- What counts is the data - Nobel Laureate Joseph Goldstein.mp4

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 'I am very troubled by the importance of impact factors' Brian Kobilka, Nobel Laureate 

Should we judge papers based on their citations- Nobel Laureate Harold Varmus.mp4

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"I can categorically say I hate impact factors!" Nobel Laureate Martin Chalfie

unfortunately various institutions, whether they were tenure committees deciding on advancement of faculty to tenure or it was people hiring people for jobs, started looking at these as a measurement of the importance of the paper as opposed to what was actually in the paper. so several people got together, it was started by the American Society for cell biology and had this declaration last year called Dora the Declaration of research assess on research assessment which basically says this is not the way to judge things. I personally I went and visited two different scientific institutions in Europe and talked to the heads of it and both of them did the same thing at the beginning. they said we had X number of papers in journals that had impact factor of such a number. not single one of them said to me we discovered this then we found this and we're really excited about this which is leading to this whole new area for us. they never told me anything about the science. they only told me the numbers because that's the that was the easy thing so we've used these impact factor numbers as a way to judge people and I think it's horrible.

不幸的是各种机构无论是终身教职委员会决定将教职人员晋升为终身教职，还是雇用人员从事工作的人都开始将期刊影响因子视为论文重要性的衡量标准，而不是论文中实际的内容。所以一些人聚集在一起，由美国细胞生物学会发表了一份 “多拉研究评估宣言”的声明，该声明明确表示影响因子不能作为判断标准。我去了欧洲参观了两个不同的科研机构，与 它的负责人交谈，他们都以在影响因子达到了某个数字期刊上发表了 X 篇论文开始炫耀‘。没有一个说：我们发现了这个，然后我们发现了这个，我们 对此我感到非常兴奋，这对我们来说是一个全新的领域。他们从未告诉过我任何与科学有关的事，他们只告诉了我影响因子的数字。使用这些影响因子数字作为一种方式去评判别人很容易，但是是非常恐怖的事。

Impact factors are "a substitute for judgement" - Nobel Laureate Michael Brown

if you know for some reason some editor hasn't accepted their paper for nature they think they're a failure, and that's just a terrible um you know a terrible aspect of science. the idea that it has to be a cell paper or a nature paper that is a substitute for judgment, in other words the people that are in charge of recruiting, if you substitute some editor's judgment for your own, you should read. if even if the paper is in you know Archives of Biochemistry or something, you know you should read it and make your own, up your own mind, as to whether this person is was really you know doing good science

如果Nature的编辑没有接受你论文，你就被他们认为是失败的，这只是一个很糟糕的现实。必须用在Cell或 Nature发表论文替代判断事可怕的，换句话说，负责招聘的人，不能用某些编辑的判断代替自己的判断，即使该论文发在Biochemistry 或其它抵挡期刊中，您也需要通过阅读自行决定这个人是否真的有良好的科学素养。

 英汉对照 （机器翻译）

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"I can categorically say I hate impact factors!" Nobel Laureate Martin Chalfie

I I can categorically say I hate impact

我我可以明确地说我讨厌影响

factors it should be the science and not

因子它应该是科学而不是

the journal the impact factor it I don't

期刊影响因子它我不

know how many people know this but that

知道有多少人知道这一点但是

the whole idea of an impact factor was

影响因子的整个想法是

designed by the Reuters Thompson News

由路透社汤普森通讯社设计的

Agency as a measure that would be useful

一项

for librarians and the whole idea was if

对图书馆员有用的措施，整个想法是，如果

you only have a certain amount of money

你只有一定数量的钱花

to spend on journals shouldn't you get

在期刊上，你不应该得到

the journal that more people read not

更多人阅读的期刊吗？不是

the importance of the paper but if

论文的重要性，而是如果

everybody reads science then that should

每个人都读科学，那么

be you know the top of your list if

如果你认识的

everyone reads nature that should be

there if people you know there's only

人只有

one or two people that read the Journal

一两个人读《

of earlobe cancer or whatever you know

耳垂癌杂志》或任何你知道

to make something then they should

做某事的东西，那么他们应该

subscribe to it but the library

订阅它，但图书馆

shouldn't do it because it was not going

不应该这样做，因为它不会

to do that many readers that are going

做那么多会

to be looking at that and so this is a

关注这一点的读者，所以这是

way that librarians could judge what

图书馆员判断

they should order for their libraries

他们应该为图书馆订购什么的一种方式，而

not the merits of the paper and

不是论文的优点，

unfortunately various institutions

不幸的是各种机构

whether they were tenure committees

无论是终身教职委员会

deciding on advancement of faculty to

决定将教职人员晋升为

tenure or it was people hiring people

终身教职，还是雇用人员从事

for jobs started looking at these as a

工作的人都开始将这些视为

measurement of the importance of the

论文重要性的衡量标准，

paper as opposed to what was actually in

而不是论文中实际的内容，

the paper so several people got together

所以几个人聚集在一起

it was started by the American Society

开始了 去年，美国

for cell biology and had this

细胞生物学会发表了一份

declaration last year called Dora the

名为“多拉

Declaration of research assess on

研究评估宣言”的声明，该声明

research assessment which basically says

基本上表明，

this is not the way to judge things I

这不是判断事情的方式。我

personally I went and visited two

个人，我去了欧洲参观了两个

different scientific institutions in

不同的科研机构，

Europe and talked to the heads of it and

并与 它的负责人，

both of them did the same thing at the

他们一开始都做了同样的事情，

beginning they said we had X number of

他们说我们在期刊上发表了 X 篇

papers in journals that had impact

论文，这些论文的影响

factor of

因子

such a number now to single one of them

现在达到了这样的数字，其中一篇对

said to me we discovered this then we

我说我们发现了这个，然后我们

found this and we're really excited

发现了这个，我们 对此我感到非常兴奋，这对

about this which is leading to this

whole new area for us they never told me

我们来说是一个全新的领域，他们从未告诉过我

anything about the science they only

任何有关科学的信息，他们只

told me the numbers because that's the

告诉了我数字，因为

that was the easy thing so we've used

那是很容易的事情，所以我们使用

these impact factor numbers as a way to

这些影响因子数字作为一种方式 去

judge people and I think it's horrible

评判别人，我认为这很可怕

Impact factors are "a substitute for judgement" - Nobel Laureate Michael Brown

you know tenure committees look at

你知道，终身教职委员会会关注

so-called high impact Publications and

所谓的高影响力出版物和

uh hiring committees you know when

呃招聘委员会，你知道当

they're searching for um a new assistant

他们在寻找新的助理

professor are looking for that um and

教授时，

it's become so bad that um you know

情况已经变得如此糟糕，以至于你知道

posts who've done really good work but

那些做得非常好的职位 工作，但

if you know for some reason some editor

如果你知道由于某种原因某些编辑

hasn't accepted their paper for nature

没有接受他们的自然论文，

they think they're a failure and that's

他们认为他们是失败的，这

just a terrible um you know a terrible

只是一个可怕的嗯你知道科学的一个可怕的

aspect of science the idea that it has

方面，它

to be a cell paper or a nature paper

必须是细胞论文或 自然论文

that is a substitute for judgment in

可以替代判断，换句话说，

other words the people that are in

charge of recruiting if you substitute

负责招聘的人，如果您用

some editor's judgment for your own you

某些编辑的判断代替自己的判断，您

should read if even if the paper is in

应该阅读，即使该论文位于

you know Archives of B chemistry or

您知道的 B 化学档案或

something you know you should read it

您知道的东西中，您也应该阅读 阅读它

and make your own up your own mind as to

并自行决定

whether this person is was really you

这个人是否真的是你所

know doing good

知道的从事良好

science

科学研究的人