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对德国KIT核安全专家就福岛事故的一次采访记录

已有 3768 次阅读 2012-4-20 15:15 |个人分类:2012亥姆霍兹科技新闻|系统分类:博客资讯| 德国, 核安全, 弃核, 福岛事件, 核风险

对德国KIT核安全专家就福岛事故的一次采访记录

 

Tromm博士是德国亥姆霍兹联合会卡尔斯鲁厄理工学院核能与核安全部的专家。最近,他接受了亥姆霍兹联合会本部罗特格(Roetger)博士的采访:

 

你最近被日本政府作为国际公认的专家请去考查评价日本福岛事件。现在当地情况怎么样了?

Tromm:我们参加了一个会议,并审议了受损核电站后期无害化处理及电站退役的进展情况的汇报。我们走访了受损设施,站在离反应堆只有50开外的地方。目前现场部署了1000余人分别负责维护冷却回路、开展各种安全措施,以及开始进行清理工作。他们的计划是以40年的时间将这些反应堆恢复到完全无害化的水平。


在灾难发生之后,有近10万人不得不离开自己的家园,对他们来说这也时间也太长了些。在这个问题上有什么考虑?

Tromm:这些人将很快就会回来。现在的禁区半径仍然是20公里。禁区内的所有地方都在计量辐射水平,另外表层土壤也被移除和置换。我们也携带了我们自己的测量设备,我觉得回迁是可行的。但是所有的人都要被清楚地告知相关风险,而且每户人家也都需要安装测量设备,因为在某些局部,比如说森林地带,可能污染会出奇地高。按照国际准则,日本政府已经决定把污染标准设定在每年不超过一毫希沃特。在这个水平上,即使是几十年的时间,也不会生产医学伤害。作为参照比较:德国辐射污染标准是每年约2.4毫希沃特。


你和你的德国同事对于污染清除工作能有什么贡献?

Tromm:在过去这些年里,日本几乎没有发生什么所谓超设计基准风险事件。这类事件是指在批准建设时完全没有考虑到、最后却事实发生的危害事件。在德国我们却是不一样的做法。尤其是在卡理工,我们拥有一些非常特别的针对超设计基准的专业知识,可以主动研究在事故中可能发生什么事情。

利用测试设备QUENCH,我们可以直接观察到如果冷却系统发生故障,核燃料棒会产生什么变化,一直到出现堆芯融化。在另一套装置LIVE上,我们可以监测熔化了的部分会如何在反应堆压力阀的底端形成一滩融溶物。采用测试设备DISCO,我们又可以检查假如压力阀失效又有什么后果,例如,那些高温融化部分会从哪里蔓延出去,是简单地向下流下去,或者是因为高压而扩散到周边各个地方。最终,我们还可以借助试验台MOCKA研究熔化部分会与周边的混凝土以及所有可能接触的材料如何起反应。

这些问题对于福岛的污染去除工作十分重要,因为目前并不确切知道熔化的堆芯已经蔓延到了什么地方。


原因呢?是因为无法看到堆芯内部实际的情况吗?

Tromm:不是,其实反应堆的内部是完全浸在水下,因为必须一直水冷。现在也可以把遥控传感器送进去,可是图片质量很差,因为水很脏而放射性的伽玛射线也会损害成像图像。因此我们的测试平台确实在这些问题上具有不可替代的价值。


你觉得在未来几年还有什么风险?

Tromm:虽说福岛核电厂已经是“冷关机”状态,这就是由于温度稳定在100°C以下很多的地方,但整体状况仍然十分脆弱的。由于堆心部分已经蔓延到了安全罩,因此整体都需要冷却。而从设计上安全罩就不能容纳这么大量的水,现在已经出现了泄漏,这样用于冷却的水就渗透到了整个核电站内部。在出现较强地震事件时,就可能再次引发问题。


在国际专家委员会之中,德国专家还能发挥多大的作用,尤其是在德国政府作出弃核的决定之后?

Tromm:德国政府虽然做了这项决定,但我们仍将继续在国际上发挥重要作用,因为我们不受经济利益的驱使。可以这么说:德国公司不再出售核电站,而我们也不再受限有配套服务的义务。在国际委员会之中,我一直强调要体现最先进的安全技术,哪怕是对现在想投资建设自己的核电站的一些小国。低安全性的核能技术是不能被接受的。


非常感谢你接受我们的采访!

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另附: 亥姆霍兹科研通讯:福岛事件一年后之现状

http://www.helmholtz.de/en/hermann/archive/2012/april_2012/artikel/19/fachinformationen_zum_reaktorunfall_in_fukushima_sehr_gefragt/

(摘要:在2011年3月11号的福岛事件后,KIT立即成立了一个专门的核安全专家工作组。有近30位科研人员跟德国的核电站与核安全协会一道介入了调查研究。一年多来共有270篇网上文章、150篇纸质文章和80余次采访,宣传报导了亥姆霍兹核安全专家参与福岛事故处理以及所做的贡献。)

One Year after Fukushima

The disaster of Fukushima is one year ago, but the consequences are far from overcome. Immediately after the nuclear accident became known on 11 March 2011, the KIT established working groups for the Helmholtz Association, which continue to edit scientific insights for general publication even today.

In the first three months, the approximately 30 involved researchers worked in part around the clock. In cooperation with the Gesellschaft für Anlagen- und Reaktorsicherheit (GRS - Society for Plant and Reactor Safety) and experts from the USA and Japan, the scientists collected all available data, on the basis of which they then attempted to assess the respective current status and forecast the further development. "Our calculations, for example, regarding the contamination of the ground with caesium, proved to be correct without exception", explains Wolfgang Raskob, who with his team at the KIT compiled daily forecasts.

Great Demand for Verified Information

The working groups published their results on the KIT's website under www.helmholtz.de/kit-fukushima (in German). In the period between March 2011 and January 2012, these pages registered about 54,000 access hits. "The graphs regarding the calculations of the spreading were accessed even in Japan as independent information", reports Dr Joachim Knebel, Chief Science Officer at the KIT and Programme Spokesperson Nuclear Safety Research for the Helmholtz Association. At the same time more than 270 articles in online media, more than 150 articles in printed media, over 50 television broadcasts and more than 80 radio broadcasts reported on the work of the Helmholtz researchers at the KIT in the wake of Fukushima.

Current Situation in Fukushima

At the end of the past year, a delegation from the Japan Atomic Energy Agency visited the KIT to gather information regarding reactor safety research on site and enter into an agreement on increased cooperation. In the region around the nuclear power plant site Fukushima, the Japanese currently attempt to prepare the decontamination of several hundreds square kilometres of ground. "By excavating an approximately five-centimetre thick layer of top soil, the radiactive contamination is to be reduced to below the threshold value of five millisievert", explains Wolfgang Raskob. However, as yet there is no long-term solution in sight for the storage of the excavated soil. At the plant itself, protective covers consisting of steel framework and polyester sheets are currently erected to create a gas tight enclosure around the reactors. Steel sheet pile wall rammed into the ground about 23 metres deep are to prevent the leakage of radioactively contaminated water from the reactors into the ocean or the ground water. "By now, there is a fully operational cooling circuits in place again", says Raskob. Debris and scrap metal are to be removed from the plant bit by bit in order to finally dismantle it and/or encase the areas with the highest degree of radioactivity in a sarcophagus.

From today's point of view, nuclear technology experts from the IAEA, who met at the HZDR in March 2012, evaluate the situation as follows: In the high-technology country Japan nuclear power plants were not sufficiently fit to survive major natural catastrophes without presenting a danger to the environment and population. Modern passive safety systems are very likely to have reduced the discharge of radioactivity, yet were not featured in the plants at Fukushima. By contrast, the German nuclear power plants continue to be amongst the safest worldwide and the German know-how as regards reactor safety enjoys international high esteem.



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